| redmist |
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Monday, Sep 25th 10:17pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 967
NY USA
357i , 325i e30 turbo |
Went to pick up my "i" head at Olsen Engines. He had a customers four liter 1998 bmw v8 apart. 160,000 miles on it. The bearings were like new, so good he is not replacing them (I thought this was NEVER done) Crank surfaces perfect, cam lobes perfect, cylindr walls perfect. Only problem he had was finding replacement rings.
I guess they got the alusil problems nailed.
Might think of one for the next project based on this. |
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| KenDanielson |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 2:34am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 192
Petaluma CA
'82 320is, '78 320i |
They have been selling for considerably less than a s14... Twice the cylinders/half the $$$, I like it! They WILL fit between the strut towers but the power brake booster has got to go-the streetrod guys have a cure for that, an underdash booster mounted sideways. The oil pan sump might be a problem depending on how far back you want to mount the engine-then you could always drysump it-I've ALWAYS wanted an engine with a drysump oil system... You can see I have thought about this a bit.
BTW it weighs about the same as a U.S. iron block m52 engine.
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| redmist |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 2:42am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 969
NY USA
357i , 325i e30 turbo |
Thinking is dangerous Ken 
Yeah so much better than polluting the car with a chevy. I'll be looking at ebay with you!
Power brakes? Who needs 'em. If you must you can mount the booster in the trunk too. |
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| bmw_m_320i |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 4:20am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 717
Helena, Montana
none right now :( |
or the booster can go in front like on v8 powered E34's and E32's |
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| Greg323i |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 4:36am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 242
Melbourne, Australia
1982 Hennaröt 323i |
| bmw_m_320i wrote: | | or the booster can go in front like on v8 powered E34's and E32's |
Or the RHD e21's. That hardware could probably be adapted fairly easily to the other side. |
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| aussie323i |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 6:17am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 525
australia
1979 323i |
lol... I was about to mention that one too  |
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| Madhatter |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 11:41am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 60
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
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| aussie323i |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 2:02pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 526
australia
1979 323i |
nice pics hatter.... (get out the cliches) they speak a thousand words 
-no booster is going to fit anywhere in the engine bay by the look of that (unless it's behind the front grill
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| Madhatter |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 4:02pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 61
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
I reckon you could get it to fit up the front still, just by routing the intake elsewhere (maybe the other side?).
Otherwise you could run a bulb type setup like on the 5 series. |
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| KenDanielson |
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Tuesday, Sep 26th 4:33pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 192
Petaluma CA
'82 320is, '78 320i |
Well, if you mount the brake booster in the front where will you fit the two turbos??
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| Madhatter |
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Thursday, Sep 28th 2:47pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 62
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
in the boot(trunk)? out the bonnet? what does it matter, id settle for 280hp and 300+ft/lbs of torque on tap any day of the week. |
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| redmist |
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Thursday, Sep 28th 6:45pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 971
NY USA
357i , 325i e30 turbo |
Again I hate to be negative but look how much that engine is in front of the strut towers?
I just don't understand why someone would go through all the work (and $)for 70/30 weight balance. |
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| Zolika_e21 |
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Thursday, Sep 28th 11:13pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 32
Hungary
e21_M54_30 |
Nice job!
Do you have more picture? |
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| KenDanielson |
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Friday, Sep 29th 2:34am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 192
Petaluma CA
'82 320is, '78 320i |
Well, plenty of people are willing to put a m20 into an e21 and it has more fwd weight than the v8. The engines weigh nearly the same (the V8 has some parts that can be removed to even it out) but the v8 is shorter so the weight is farther back.
If I were to do it I would set it back a few inches just because it would be more cool.
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| JJG323 |
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Friday, Sep 29th 3:03am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1270
Reading MA USA
1979 BMW 323i |
There is a guy at the show and shine who has a e30 with a v8 in it.
So I don't see why it could not be done with the e21.
Except I dont have the resources for this yet.
M20 turbo for me.. |
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| cnvkellogg |
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Friday, Sep 29th 6:37am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 44
Eugene, OR
78 320i |
I am trying to find a turbo kit for my M20 now. The V8 looks really cool. Pin your foot to the floor and you wont care about the extra weight on the front of the car. |
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| Madhatter |
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Friday, Sep 29th 10:17am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 63
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
| redmist wrote: | Again I hate to be negative but look how much that engine is in front of the strut towers?
I just don't understand why someone would go through all the work (and $)for 70/30 weight balance. |
be negative all you want, its no worse with an M20 and the V8 isnt a whole heap heavier. Especially once you move the battery to the rear, that would offset quite a lot of weight.
70/30? dont make me laugh, thats a figure pulled straight out of your head. You would be lucky if you upset it more than 5-10%, with good suspension you could more than dial out any understeer issues because of the added weight on the front. |
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| redmist |
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Friday, Sep 29th 6:31pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 972
NY USA
357i , 325i e30 turbo |
Absoutely out of my a** and exaggerated on purpose. The point was why not go for optimal?
Also if you put your foot to the floor you would go nowhere but you would create a smoke screen. |
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| Madhatter |
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Saturday, Sep 30th 7:03am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 64
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
its called throttle control, and with a good set of tyres you will have great accelleration. You think front and rear balance is going to be the difference between spinning the tyres and getting good grip? so yours is going to just be all grip then right?
As for optimal, the original engine and chassis combination isnt optimal. Cutting half your car appart to put in a v8 is illegal in quite a few countries.
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| chupchup |
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Saturday, Sep 30th 4:25pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 89
Singapore
320m20 |
| Madhatter wrote: | | in the boot(trunk)? out the bonnet? what does it matter, id settle for 280hp and 300+ft/lbs of torque on tap any day of the week. |
I guess u don't need to stop......... |
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| Madhatter |
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Saturday, Sep 30th 4:59pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 65
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
had to go and make assumptions didnt you
Do they look like standard brakes to you?  |
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| DP57 |
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Sunday, Oct 1st 11:20pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 21
CA, USA
'82 320i, '94 318i |
Is that an m60? What tranny do you have linked up to it/what kind of mods did it take? |
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| Zolika_e21 |
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Tuesday, Oct 3rd 7:45am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 33
Hungary
e21_M54_30 |
This the same Porsche Caliper that I am using .
What kind of rotor do you use?
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| Madhatter |
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Tuesday, Oct 3rd 11:12am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 69
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
| DP57 wrote: | | Is that an m60? What tranny do you have linked up to it/what kind of mods did it take? |
matching 6 speed, getrag S6S420G i seem to remember.
Matching cross member would probably go a long way |
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| Jason_323i |
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Tuesday, Oct 3rd 2:40pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 409
UK, Scotland
323i 2.7 tripple webber track car. Maserati Biturbo |
It been a while since that car hit the newsgroups, its got to be near 4-5 years when the pictures first apperared, does any body know if it was ever finished last time I heard it was off to get some custom flarred arches.
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| redmist |
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Tuesday, Oct 3rd 9:32pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 975
NY USA
357i , 325i e30 turbo |
| Madhatter wrote: | its called throttle control, and with a good set of tyres you will have great accelleration. You think front and rear balance is going to be the difference between spinning the tyres and getting good grip? so yours is going to just be all grip then right?
As for optimal, the original engine and chassis combination isnt optimal. Cutting half your car appart to put in a v8 is illegal in quite a few countries.
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So is speeding,but you don't do that right?
Compensating for power and poor weight distribution and transfer(look up some basics on drag racing)by putting wide tires on the rear creates what sort of effect on handling? (Music from jepordy plays in the background.......)
Right!! Massive understeer!! Ah but you say you can compensate with the throttle, right? I'm sorry, can I have another contestant please? |
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| velocewest |
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Tuesday, Oct 3rd 11:15pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 548
Oregon USA
e9, e12x2, no E21? |
| Jason_323i wrote: | It been a while since that car hit the newsgroups, its got to be near 4-5 years when the pictures first apperared, does any body know if it was ever finished last time I heard it was off to get some custom flarred arches.
Jason |
It's still under construction at Pacific Motorsports here in Portland. The owner of Pacific, Mark Dikeos (not the car's owner) drove it to the Portland Historics this summer. It's not complete, but close. Mechanicals/drivetrain/suspension are basically sorted, interior and cosmetics still need work.
For the record, this car was a huge undertaking, akin to Peter's GM V8 conversion. The suspension is a combination (IIRC) of e36 front and e34 rear, which required that the pick up points for the suspension(s) be fabricated into the e21 shell. The engine sits low and back, the steering, brakes, pedals, basically everything is custom fabricated, albeit using mostly BMW parts.
From what I was told the weight balance is not too bad. The heavier 5 series rear components and the big differential offset the weight of the engine, and the 6 speed is a pretty big chunk of weight down low and centered.
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| Marquis_Rex |
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Saturday, Oct 7th 11:04pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 480
UK
BMW 323i 2.7-as featured in Total BMW Nov 2002,Porsche 911/993TT |
| redmist wrote: | | Madhatter wrote: | its called throttle control, and with a good set of tyres you will have great accelleration. You think front and rear balance is going to be the difference between spinning the tyres and getting good grip? so yours is going to just be all grip then right?
As for optimal, the original engine and chassis combination isnt optimal. Cutting half your car appart to put in a v8 is illegal in quite a few countries.
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So is speeding,but you don't do that right?
Compensating for power and poor weight distribution and transfer(look up some basics on drag racing)by putting wide tires on the rear creates what sort of effect on handling? (Music from jepordy plays in the background.......)
Right!! Massive understeer!! Ah but you say you can compensate with the throttle, right? I'm sorry, can I have another contestant please? |
Well said Redmist!
To take a tamer production example- there's a reason why BMW chose to develop a M20 'baby six' for the E21 and not just shoe horn in a 2.5 litre 150 Bhp version of their M30. It's called weight distribution. Makes me laugh that someone can rubbish BMWs philosophy of engineering through outright ignorance/arrogance.
BTW there IS a big weight difference between an M20 and an M60 V8- even with the battery mounted in the back. |
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