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Hartge H3 323irs
Owner: Hartge82H3
In registry since: Thursday, May 3rd 7:42pm.
Year: 1982
Location: So-Calif/NSan Diego

wilbryant   Posted Monday, Jun 28th 6:08am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Member
Post nr. 16

GA
82 Baur 323, 95 M540
WOW Very, Very nice....please let me know if you ever plan to sale it.

JDBeyer   Posted Monday, Jun 28th 7:25am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 105
   
N. Humboldt county Ca.
82 323i on steroids
This is one rare car. It must be a blast to drive.
There was one in the S.F. bay area in the early 90's, It is the only one I have actually seen. I have always like the Hartge wheels, They fit the car so well.

BliTZeD310   Posted Monday, Jun 28th 9:46am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 177
   
SoCal LA
79 320i - 86 635csi
Extremely rare car you have here Matt. I was thouroghly impressed with this vehicle. Very well done car, and you have all the history of this 1 of 12 H3's made. One of my favorites

Hartge82H3   Posted Monday, Jul 12th 6:03pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 34
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Check out this short vid of my car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6O9ZJCnkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNS63mTx_jY&mode=user&search=

beemerboy   Posted Thursday, Jul 15th 8:44pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 1
   
belgium
323i 1982 320i 1984 318i 1993
great great bmw man

I did know they existed but never saw one.

I wish you a lot of driving pleasure with it

greetings from belgium

Hartge82H3   Posted Thursday, Jul 29th 7:46pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 36
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
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SteveG   Posted Friday, Jul 30th 1:25am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Member
Post nr. 42

Sydney,Australia
BMW E21 323i 79
awesome car I love it

JJG323   Posted Friday, Sep 3rd 8:50pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 195
   
Reading MA USA
1979 BMW 323i
This car is very impressive and should be written up in a magazine. Great rare car in excellent condtion. Props to you.

jesse   Posted Wednesday, Sep 15th 5:53pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 179
   
SF, USA
Dinan 1978 333i, honda insight, audi S4
beautiful

<-- green

looks like it's dipped in butter!

ichiwan2   Posted Monday, Oct 18th 6:07pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 4
   
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
BMW320/6(e21)
You are a very lucky person!!

I only have a replica of the Hartge rims and it is only 15" x 7" pictured below.

What is the offset of your rims? My tires seem to hit the front of the fender when turning in. Need to shave off some of the front spoiler.



I do not think we have the Hartge front spoiler in Malaysia, but we do have the Mtechnic front spoiler. It looks very much like the Hartge front spoiler, except that it requires the removal of the front euro bumper. It is still at the spare parts shop - and its brand new. It is made of ABS plastic.

FYI

Hartge82H3   Posted Tuesday, Jan 4th 7:29pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 41
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Thank you

kpeters   Posted Thursday, Jan 6th 6:03am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 194
   
San Jose, Costa Rica
1981 320/6 Kastanienrot-Metallic 5spd
Is the handbrake console from an E28?

Hartge82H3   Posted Friday, Jan 7th 10:43pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 42
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
No, the center is from my car. If I remember correctly, I thought the E28 center is wider around the emergency brake to accomodate the optional power seat buttons as well as all four electric window buttons.

Echo   Posted Monday, Jan 10th 12:12am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 8

San Diego, California
E21 323i
We have a center console from an E28 in our 323, and you are right that the console is larger, but thats only in the US cars. In europe they have the cars with the non-power adjustable seats, and the console is much narrower. Hope to see you up at bimmerfest again this year! Car looks great!

kpeters   Posted Sunday, Jul 31st 4:25am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 499
   
San Jose, Costa Rica
1981 320/6 Kastanienrot-Metallic 5spd
I don't recall ever seeing an E21 with center console from factory. Could this console been fitted by Hartge and taken from an Euro E28. I recall my 535i Hartge (E28) having a console very similar to that of your car.

Hartge82H3   Posted Tuesday, Dec 20th 8:20pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 52
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
During the transition from the E21 model to the E30, Hartge added extra's, like center consoles, to the E21 that weren't in their catalogs.

Phasma   Posted Tuesday, Dec 20th 10:29pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 65
   
Latvia, EU
E21 323i "Phantom"
And what about brake calipers? How Hartge inproved the calipers?

wharthog   Posted Wednesday, Dec 21st 3:13am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 20
   
SF Bay,California, USA
1982 323i, , R1150RT
I've always loved the Hartge cars... Just stunning. Maybe it's their color scheme but they always seemed just a little more macho than Alpina cars... maybe just less body striping...

Hartge82H3   Posted Friday, Dec 23rd 6:53pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 53
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Hartge made their early brake calipers bigger, bad'r, and better by injecting steroids into Girling type calipers.

This car is one of, if not the most fun to drive. It's like driving a rocket on wheels.

Hartge82H3   Posted Tuesday, Aug 22nd 11:13pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 54
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Hartge82H3 wrote:
Hartge made their early brake calipers bigger, bad'r, and better by injecting steroids into Girling type calipers.

This car is one of, if not the most fun to drive. It's like driving a rocket on wheels.

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MayanArch   Posted Wednesday, Aug 23rd 1:15am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 1140
   
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978
Are the seats original Hartge equipment, or are they custom?

Hartge82H3   Posted Thursday, Aug 24th 12:33pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 55
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
MayanArch wrote:
Are the seats original Hartge equipment, or are they custom?


Both. Check out the bottom 1/3 of the upper Hartge brochure.

pjs323i   Posted Tuesday, Sep 19th 7:34am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 34
   
Canberra, Australia
'81 323i
very very very very very nice...that car is "i would sell my soul to drive for 5 minutes" material. nice one, i think i'll get an e28 handbrake cover for my car....looks very neat.

e21r   Posted Saturday, Sep 23rd 8:05am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Junior Member
Post nr. 1

Co
E30
This is a bitch'n car. I signed up on this site just to leave this post. If you ever think about selling, I have a serious interest in it, I realize the rarity of it, and I'm cash ready.
Think about it.
Steve

Hartge82H3   Posted Friday, Sep 29th 7:49pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 57
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
e21r wrote:
This is a bitch'n car. I signed up on this site just to leave this post. If you ever think about selling, I have a serious interest in it, I realize the rarity of it, and I'm cash ready.
Think about it.
Steve


Thanks. I'll keep you in mind if I ever think about selling. Just out of curiousity, how much cash are you ready with??

e21enthusiast   Posted Friday, Sep 29th 11:35pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 3
   
eugene,oregon
hennarot 320is,topasbraun metalic 323
5 clams wins the hartge

e21enthusiast   Posted Friday, Sep 29th 11:35pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 4
   
eugene,oregon
hennarot 320is,topasbraun metalic 323
did i say clams i meant bones, wait no dollars, wait.in my opinion the hartge makes the alpina b6 look like a piece. so youd prob get a good lump sum of green,cash.

giorgis_e21   Posted Saturday, Sep 30th 2:39am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 32
   
athens,greece
bmw e21 3.16
nice car...very nice...more than nice.....

ok it's great..more than great...

i'd better stop cause i won't finish

e21r   Posted Tuesday, Oct 3rd 4:33am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Junior Member
Post nr. 2

Co
E30
10 large. I know, but gotta start somewhere.




e21r   Posted Tuesday, Dec 12th 1:06am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Junior Member
Post nr. 6

Co
E30
I guess you aren't interested in selling now, well keep me on your list if you do. This is my dream car, I love this car..........................

ads 323   Posted Thursday, Dec 21st 11:23am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 6

nsw australia
e21 323 turbo
nice car

Hartge82H3   Posted Tuesday, Feb 13th 8:13pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 58
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
e21r wrote:
I guess you aren't interested in selling now, well keep me on your list if you do. This is my dream car, I love this car..........................


I'll keep you on my list, thanks for the interest.

ichiwan2   Posted Friday, Feb 16th 7:21am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 265
   
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
BMW320/6(e21)
Just noticed that u have a 4.75 rear diff. What is the top speed that u can achieve?

Hartge82H3   Posted Wednesday, Feb 21st 12:38am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 59
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
ichiwan2 wrote:
Just noticed that u have a 4.75 rear diff. What is the top speed that u can achieve?


It can do over 100mph, just not very long because the rpm's start getting into the red. It's a excellent car for curves on a slalom course, but not so good for a long straight track.
Check out this video and see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNS63mTx_jY&mode=user&search=

hartgeE21H3   Posted Friday, May 4th 1:11pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
Junior Member
Post nr. 1

near Paris, France
Hartge H3 E21 1982
Hello... another True HARTGE owner in Europe. I like your car... I would have left it closer to the original if i were you : such as
Hartge engraved calipers, E30 Hartge alloys, the seats, the console.
I remember being told by Hartge Germany that around 70 units were built worldwide at that time. 13 pieces seems to be a very small number... maybe this corresponds to the US market...
One other thing is shocking : the Hartge vin plate. To my knowledge of Hartge cars (i have all original documents about mine... and have been owning this car for 1.5 decade now), the Vin plate only appeared in 1984 when Hartge got the status of German car manufacturer instead of being a car tuner and running in car rallyes. Besides those details i like your car... and to be honest, i have made a few changes on mine too... some that i regret but that are not reversible : tinted glasses, red tail light assembly
http://www.e21.free.fr/
click on E21-istes, then look for hartge h3

Hartge82H3   Posted Sunday, May 6th 8:36pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 60
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Is this David?? Lives in France? You had that great write-up on that old Un-official Hartge site detailing everything you did to convert your car.
My seats? From a 335i E21 Hartge. I've not seen HARTGE engraved or stamped on the calipers, where is it located? These wheels were made especially for the E21. They're 4x100 true 3 piece Hartge/OZ with a 25 offset no rubbing and do NOT require spacers. Yes, you caught me, the VIN plate is not OEM, but it fits nicely.
I believe you're correct on 70 units built worldwide, but only 25% of those were built by Hartge at the Hartge factory: mine being one.

Believe me when I say that I don't love Hartge or the E21 enough to have spent all the time, effort and money it would have taken to create an authentic copycat. I would have made an Alpina if that were the case
Besides, it's all meaningless anyway, considering Hartge doesn't care, support, or even acknowledge the very model that put them on the map. If it's older than their H50 - you're forgetten.

hartgeE21H3 wrote:
Hello... another True HARTGE owner in Europe. I like your car... I would have left it closer to the original if i were you : such as
Hartge engraved calipers, E30 Hartge alloys, the seats, the console.
I remember being told by Hartge Germany that around 70 units were built worldwide at that time. 13 pieces seems to be a very small number... maybe this corresponds to the US market...
One other thing is shocking : the Hartge vin plate. To my knowledge of Hartge cars (i have all original documents about mine... and have been owning this car for 1.5 decade now), the Vin plate only appeared in 1984 when Hartge got the status of German car manufacturer instead of being a car tuner and running in car rallyes. Besides those details i like your car... and to be honest, i have made a few changes on mine too... some that i regret but that are not reversible : tinted glasses, red tail light assembly
http://www.e21.free.fr/
click on E21-istes, then look for hartge h3

christoph   Posted Wednesday, Sep 26th 11:38am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 46
   
Kreuzlingen, Switzerland
1978 320/6, 2005 Ducati MTS
Nice car indeed! The white color is,
in my opinion, very nice for the hartge..

Have you been digitally reworking below pic?Since I hope you did not cut out some kind of airing to the hood..


Hartge82H3   Posted Tuesday, Jan 8th 2:31am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 65
   
So Calif
82 Hartge H3 323irs E21
Yes, I added a vent from an M3 which helps cool the engine.

christoph wrote:
Nice car indeed! The white color is,
in my opinion, very nice for the hartge..

Have you been digitally reworking below pic?Since I hope you did not cut out some kind of airing to the hood..


T.KRNCEVIC   Posted Wednesday, Jan 14th 4:18pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car]
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Post nr. 28

CROATIA
E21 316 `81.
you all now thıs song O LORD WOULD YOU BUY ME....


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