| MayanArch |
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Saturday, Jul 1st 7:34pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1023
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Check this out. I had not noticed this, but the M20 Hartge valve cover is missing the bolt holes.
How does Hartge fix this to the head?
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| BruceH |
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Saturday, Jul 1st 9:54pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 943
Atlanta, GA USA
81 323 Baur, 85 745 |
Only you could come up with that! LOL. |
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| MayanArch |
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Saturday, Jul 1st 10:15pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1024
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Man, what do you think this is? Is it a fake, or is ther some fastening mechanism that they use?
I dont think it is a fake. |
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| BruceH |
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Sunday, Jul 2nd 3:43am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 944
Atlanta, GA USA
81 323 Baur, 85 745 |
I don't think it is a fake but ya got me as to how it fastens. I have never seen a m20 VC that clamped.
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| Madhatter |
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Sunday, Jul 2nd 5:03pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 52
Australia - QLD
E21, E24, E30 |
just drill the holes. |
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| BruceH |
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Sunday, Jul 2nd 5:31pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 945
Atlanta, GA USA
81 323 Baur, 85 745 |
"drill the holes"....
We assumed that he would do this.
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| MayanArch |
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Sunday, Jul 2nd 7:14pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1027
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
That is the most likely outcome........but I did pose the question to Hartge in the UK and Germany.
Maybe Hartge has a propriatary head casting that includes some clamping mechanisms. Who knows. |
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| MayanArch |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 3:51pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1039
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Mr. Bird or Birds of UK replied and said that I had an "unfinished piece".
Sheite!!! Some a$$wipe sold me a knock off.
It has to be a knock off. What is more likely, that Hartge screwed up and allowed this to go out to the public.......and even worse that the first person that bought it from them didnt return it...........................or that some crafty fu@k did a 3D scan and then machined it with a CNC?
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| MayanArch |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 3:56pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1040
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Oh, and Bruce........you are right. This kind of sheite would ONLY happen to me. 
Mierda!!! |
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| JJG323 |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 4:03pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1243
Reading MA USA
1979 BMW 323i |
| MayanArch wrote: | Mr. Bird or Birds of UK replied and said that I had an "unfinished piece".
Sheite!!! Some a$$wipe sold me a knock off.
It has to be a knock off. What is more likely, that Hartge screwed up and allowed this to go out to the public.......and even worse that the first person that bought it from them didnt return it...........................or that some crafty fu@k did a 3D scan and then machined it with a CNC?
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Um dude take a look at mine, its different
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| MayanArch |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 5:37pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1041
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Mierda.......how do I drill the holes accuratly?
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| myersport |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 6:15pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 184
east tennessee
'82 320iS. '91 327iC |
Mayan-
This may sound low-tech, but how about tracing a pattern on posterboard using your Alpina cover and mark the centerpoints of the holes, cut out the pattern, align it with the underside of the Hartge cover, centerpunch your reference points, and drill from the underside of the cover. Absolute accuracy isn't neccesary as the sealing surface is the gasket. All valve covers have a little play before their torqued down anyways.
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| JJG323 |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 6:52pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1246
Reading MA USA
1979 BMW 323i |
I can trace a pen around the outline of my valve cover, and mark where the holes are. Then I could mail it to you, take it somewhere and have them drilled. |
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| MayanArch |
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Tuesday, Jul 4th 7:05pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1042
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
Thanks guys. Yes, definetly any help is appreciated.
I am not so concearned with the underside as much as the holes on the upper surface. I cant take those off the Alpina cover with any accuracy.
So, yes. I would appreciate a tracing pattern.
Definetly. |
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| RDAvena |
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Wednesday, Jul 5th 5:22pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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1981 323i, 1988 545is, 1997 528i |
| MayanArch wrote: |
So, yes. I would appreciate a tracing pattern.
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Ummm, an old valve cover gasket would not fix this dilemma? |
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| BruceH |
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Wednesday, Jul 5th 6:55pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 946
Atlanta, GA USA
81 323 Baur, 85 745 |
Ray-do you have to always take the sensible, logical and practical approach?
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| velocewest |
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Wednesday, Jul 5th 8:32pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 525
Oregon USA
e9, e12x2, no E21? |
| MayanArch wrote: | ...or that some crafty fu@k did a 3D scan and then machined it with a CNC?
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More likely they just cast it. Cheap, easy, low-tech. If it were CNC cut you probably would have paid more than Hartge charges.
And, why didn't anyone suggest firing up the TIG and welding it on? 
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| MayanArch |
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Wednesday, Jul 5th 10:58pm [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1043
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
| RDAvena wrote: | | MayanArch wrote: |
So, yes. I would appreciate a tracing pattern.
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Ummm, an old valve cover gasket would not fix this dilemma? |
Gee....thanks Ray.......didnt think of that one.
My main worry are the holes on top. No gasget for that.......is there Ray!! |
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| RDAvena |
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Thursday, Jul 6th 5:26am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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| MayanArch wrote: |
My main worry are the holes on top. No gasget for that.......is there Ray!! |
Ok I'll play along... ( SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0)
How about you drill the holes from the underside of the valve cover using the used VC gasket as a template.
*RIMSHOT* "Thank you ladies and gentlemen I will be here the rest of the evening!!!" |
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| MayanArch |
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Friday, Jul 7th 4:00am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1046
Florida, USA
Baur E21 2.7 1982, Baur E30 318i 1985, 323i 1978 |
OK, Ray......I actually looked twice............since this is you, I actually doubted myself and went to look for verification.
I am talking about the holes circled in red in the picture below. THOSE dont drill through to the underside.
I agree with you about the bolt holes that hold the cover down onto the head. THose CAN BE DONE with an old gasket.
The ones abobe (three beer spelling) are a bit trickier, since they dont drill through the part, and if you are off by a millimeter you wont be able to mount the parts that go on there.
Am I missing something here???
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| JJG323 |
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Friday, Jul 7th 4:34am [Edit] [Quote] [IMS] [View car] |
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Post nr. 1249
Reading MA USA
1979 BMW 323i |
Yes, but in a way Ray is right as usual.
What is the purpose for those holes in red?
I have seen where a bracket was bolted into the 325i mani, and then into the valve cover, but I dont think you need to drill those.
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